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mondz
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12 Nov 12 @ 12:42 PM #
yun din pinagtataka ko eh.. though hindi ko alam if totoong si xplay ang may hawak ng rights para magbenta/distribute nung games sa bansa pero kung titignan mo sa website nila, may list of retailers sila dun.. most of them are big companies even bigger than DB.. pwedeng pwede na sila mismo mag-aangkat sa ibang bansa kung saan mas mura yung games pero they are under xplay pa rin maybe because they recognize the partnership between the game publisher and xplay..
ito lang mostly consignment basis ang binibigay ng xplay sa mga yan (official list retailer)... =) and di lahat siguro ng copies nila eh from xplay din... i doubt!!! ganon lang un... i doubt also na sila mismo lumalapit sa xplay to get copies there are other good resources out there...=)
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 01:01 PM #
LOLz! Ganyan kase yan si deadmanwade eh, pag me hot topic, parati sya ang minority. Bakit kaya?? hehehehehe!
asus ayan ka na naman magaling ka talaga sa ad hominem
eh noon halos isumpa nyo yung xplay eh.. di nyo kasi na consider yung possibility about exclusivity. kaya ko naisulat sa opiniyon ko kasi hindi lang naman eto about games.. this is about contracts din.. assuming nga na si xplay may rights to sell coz they have been in the biz of acquiring rights daw si 2008 eh pwede natin isipin na baka nga may karapatan si xplay.. im not defending xplay nor against db.. just trying to state yung mga possibilities.. sa previous page nga may iba pa hindi nakaka alam about rights ng isang exclusive distributor eh.. so kaya lang ako nasali dito sa usapan kasi gusto ko lang mag share ng opinyon ko about other aspects ng issue.. di man ako game addict tulad nyo, eh may natutunan din naman ako sa contracts nung college ako.. di lang ito about who's been in the gaming biz the longest.. kahit pa ngayon lang naitatag ang xplay assuming na sila nga ang nakakuha ng rights, im sure walang karapatan si db na mag take ng short cut.. may mga cases na regarding parallel importing na pinaburan ang complainant/exclusive distributor.. kasi ang rationale dyan eh si exclusive distributor nag invest, naglabas ng pera, at inatasan mag promote ng game.. sila din ay malamang binigyan ng quota, kaya yung mga nag short cut kunwari assuming eto nga ginawa ni DB ay makaka apekto nga sa operations ng exclusive distributor.. hindi naman yan mahirap intindihin.. kaya nga may mga kaso na na pinaburan ng korte yung exclusive distributor for those reasons.. now i am not a gamer or i used to be a gamer (mga games lang na may ending ang nilalaro ko hindi online games) eh dapat nyo rin maintindihan yung other aspects ng kaso kasi baka in the future you will be engaging in importing too.. malaki ang kitaan sa importing pero risky sya kasi nga may parallel importing.. pero good thing may remedy dyan.. pwede ka mag file ng administrative case para ma pa halt ang operation ng competitor mo na nag take ng short cut..
-- edited by deadmanwade on Nov 12 2012, 01:43 PM
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 02:20 PM #
kasi ang rationale dyan eh si exclusive distributor nag invest, naglabas ng pera, at inatasan mag promote ng game.. sila din ay malamang binigyan ng quota, kaya yung mga nag short cut kunwari assuming eto nga ginawa ni DB ay makaka apekto nga sa operations ng exclusive distributor.. hindi naman yan mahirap intindihin..
problema mo kasi puro ka assumption...
the thing is, if you are going to be factual, look at the evidence at hand... at the circumstances of the raid.
sa ngayon wala pang maipakitang proof of exclusivity si X-Play... so the burden of proof is with them... kung yung online sports thing exclusivity ang ipapakita nila, it won't hold water... pero if the court is stupid enough to see only the words exclusive, games at sports... then they might just pull it off...
yun ang issue... you do not have to cite other cases... lalo na kung iba ang nature ng cinite mong example...
may isa nag post dyan, if X-Play is exclusive... does it mean buying from Play Asia is illegal? if not, what makes it different from DB? the issue is distribution... not selling... yun ang point. DB is not a distributor... it is a seller just like play asia...
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emcel
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12 Nov 12 @ 02:39 PM #
DB is not a distributor... it is a seller just like play asia...
ilang beses ko na cited yan... ewan ko bat ayaw nila intindihin...
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:11 PM #
The fact that even anyone who buys games from play asia... decides to resell the game, no one has the right to stop him... since it passed thru customs.
and whatever price they place, as long as the seller issues a receipt, it is legit.
the funny thing is, if you purchase a PC version of the game from play asia, then decide to sell it, you can still make a profit...
this just goes to show how over priced x-play's items are...
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dyerowmb
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:13 PM #
ilang beses ko na cited yan... ewan ko bat ayaw nila intindihin...
because that guy is from xplay.
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:19 PM #
problema mo kasi puro ka assumption...
the thing is, if you are going to be factual, look at the evidence at hand... at the circumstances of the raid.
sa ngayon wala pang maipakitang proof of exclusivity si X-Play... so the burden of proof is with them... kung yung online sports thing exclusivity ang ipapakita nila, it won't hold water... pero if the court is stupid enough to see only the words exclusive, games at sports... then they might just pull it off...
yun ang issue... you do not have to cite other cases... lalo na kung iba ang nature ng cinite mong example...
may isa nag post dyan, if X-Play is exclusive... does it mean buying from Play Asia is illegal? if not, what makes it different from DB? the issue is distribution... not selling... yun ang point. DB is not a distributor... it is a seller just like play asia...
sabi ko nga just because ginusto ni xplay na i-withheld sa public/media yung contract eh pwede nyo na sabihin wala nga sila hawak na contrata.. kasi kung ako si DB, i will fight for my right if wala nga sila kontrata.. an estimated 3 million yung nasambat na stocks eh napakalaki ng halaga nyan..
now sino ba naka visit lately sa DB, naibalik ba yung stocks nila? kasi ilang days na since nung raid, kung ako DB i will tell my legal counsels to view the complaint kung totoo nga yung claims ni XPLAY na may rights sila.. ng sa ganun maibalik na yung stocks ko at mag resume ang operation if wala nga sila contract with the game publisher.. so ano naibalik na ba yung nasambat na games? kung wala pa malamang meron nga contract si xplay.. or pwede ba natin isipin mahina ang lawyers ng DB?
with regard to the contract, wala man sila mapakita sa publiko but i think napakita na to between the legal counsels of db and xplay.. kasi like i said if wala nga contract dapat 2 days after eh naibalik na yung mga stocks.. kung wala nga contract eh di naibalik na yung stocks, ganito ba ka slow laywers ng DB?
may isa nag post dyan, if X-Play is exclusive... does it mean buying from Play Asia is illegal? if not, what makes it different from DB? the issue is distribution... not selling... yun ang point. DB is not a distributor... it is a seller just like play asia...
wala na man mali if bibile ka from other sellers abroad eh.. ang mali eh kung ibebenta mo na.. bibile ka ng canon cameras abroad kasi mura dun, pero kung ibebenta mo na dyan ka magkakaproblema kasi may exclusive distributor/seller dito.. sabi dun sa isang blog eto daw nangyari sa isang sikat na online seller..
now wala man pinakita sa atin na kontrata hindi nangangahulugan na wala nga sila kontrata, kaya nga sabi ko if you really want to view the contract baka pwede ka mag request dun sa cidg, makati rtc, or insider of xplay to satisfy your curiosity.. sinasabi ko lang na baka meron nga kasi nagawa nila mag request for warrant para ma serve na rin ang injuction.. the difference between you and i eh i don't assume malice, ang kaibahan sa iyo eh ina-assume mo agad na nabayaran yung cidg at rtc.. pareho lang tayo nag aassume but inaassume ko malinis, walang malice
-- edited by deadmanwade on Nov 12 2012, 03:22 PM
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:26 PM #
sabi ko nga just because ginusto ni xplay na i-withheld sa public/media yung contract eh pwede nyo na sabihin wala nga sila hawak na contrata..
assumption na naman... what good will it do? lalo tuloy silang napasama sa ganyang approach... are you really sure nag withhold sila? or nagkakandarapang humingi ng copya sa take 2 kahit in process pa sila... lol
wala na man mali if bibile ka from other sellers abroad eh.. ang mali eh kung ibebenta mo na.. bibile ka ng canon cameras abroad kasi mura dun, pero kung ibebenta mo na dyan ka magkakaproblema kasi may exclusive distributor/seller dito.. sabi dun sa isang blog eto daw nangyari sa isang sikat na online seller..
you did not get the point... exclusive nga diba? kayat bawal pumasok lahat... kahit ecommerce pa... kasi sila lang pwede mag distribute... at yung authorized reseller lang nila ang pwede mag benta sa pinas... kaso, nakakapasok si play asia... at may pahintulot kay take 2... paano na? lol
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:30 PM #
kasi like i said if wala nga contract dapat 2 days after eh naibalik na yung mga stocks.. kung wala nga contract eh di naibalik na yung stocks, ganito ba ka slow laywers ng DB?
another patawa... puro assumption nga....
alam mo ba gaano katagal makuha ng confiscated items?
besides, DB already counter sued Xplay for disgraceful harassment and profiteering...
malamang the confiscated goods are treated as evidence.
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:32 PM #
you did not get the point... exclusive nga diba? kayat bawal pumasok lahat... kahit ecommerce pa... kasi sila lang pwede mag distribute... at yung authorized reseller lang nila ang pwede mag benta sa pinas... kaso, nakakapasok si play asia... at may pahintulot kay take 2... paano na? lol
si playasia ba talaga pumasok? although this would still affect the operations of xplay kung saka-sakali may mga gamers na bibile abroad, but they can't do anything about this particularly filing an injunction kasi wala jurisdiction ang authorities natin abroad.. now ang tanging remedy dyan eh pwede kausapin ni xplay yung game publisher to inform other distributors abroad not to sell in regions with exclusive distributor na.. i know companies like this that does not welcome buyers from philippines kasi meron na seller/distributor sa philippines.. kaya wala sila option to ship sa philippines..
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:36 PM #
now ang tanging remedy dyan eh pwede kausapin ni xplay yung game publisher to inform other distributors abroad not to sell in regions with exclusive distributor na..
which hindi nya ginawa... dahil wala nga sigurong exclusivity sa media distribution... ipakita na kasi... unless shown otherwise I will hold this argument as "agreeing to disagree" on points.
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:39 PM #
i know companies like this that does not welcome buyers from philippines kasi meron na seller/distributor sa philippines.. kaya wala sila option to ship sa philippines..
dude napasobra ka na sa assumptions mo... if you go to the site ng play asia... the price is in PESO! at may free shipping... sheez! kung hindi targetted ang pinas, saan pa ba may peso? mexico? lol... last time I checked hindi sya part sa asia. lol
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:40 PM #
assumption na naman... what good will it do? lalo tuloy silang napasama sa ganyang approach... are you really sure nag withhold sila? or nagkakandarapang humingi ng copya sa take 2 kahit in process pa sila... lol
eh assumption din naman eto eh.. well kung gusto nyo nga malaman if totoo yung contract, dumulog kayo sa cidg, makati rtc, xplay, db kasi eto yung mga entities involved sa kaso, malamang meron sila copy (cidg, makati rtc, xplay) or ask a person na close sa db about the contract kung nakita nila.. im sure the counsels of db have already viewed this, kasi kung wala pinakita si xplay then mag counter sila na kaso pertaining to this allegation hindi yung profiteering and harassment lang..
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:42 PM #
which hindi nya ginawa... dahil wala nga sigurong exclusivity sa media distribution... ipakita na kasi... unless shown otherwise I will hold this argument as "agreeing to disagree" on points.
siguro/assumption din? patawa ka rin?
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mondz
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:42 PM #
now ang tanging remedy dyan eh pwede kausapin ni xplay yung game publisher to inform other distributors abroad not to sell in regions with exclusive distributor na.. i know companies like this that does not welcome buyers from philippines kasi meron na seller/distributor sa philippines.. kaya wala sila option to ship sa philippines..
yan ikaw na mismo nagsabi! isn't that 2k sport should be the one suing DB? not XPlay? bakit di nanghihimasok ang 2k dito.. so kaw na nag sabi?
2k should support xplay if this is the case and case closed agad ito kung ganon nga...
agree disagree?
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:44 PM #
siguro/assumption din? patawa ka rin?
paano naging assumption yun? diba dumiretso sya kay CIDG instead of taking the complaint to Take 2 regarding the channel conflict?
gulo mong kausap.... lol
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:48 PM #
dude napasobra ka na sa assumptions mo... if you go to the site ng play asia... the price is in PESO! at may free shipping... sheez! kung hindi targetted ang pinas, saan pa ba may peso? mexico? lol... last time I checked hindi sya part sa asia. lol
i know playasia, kasi hindi lang games binibenta dyan.. meron din toys.. most of these toys wala official seller/distributor sa philippines kaya they can ship it here thus pwede nila ilagay sa buying option ang PHP para sa convenience na rin ng mga pinoy customers na gusto bumile sa kanila..
therefore pwede rin natin isipin na hindi pa na establish ng klaro ang coverage ng contract ni play-asia.. just because meron sila PHP option eh nangangahulugan na pwede sila magbenta nung particular game sa pinas.. pwede isipin na di pa na clarify yung kontrata between exclusive distributor in asia.. pwede din isipin na yung PHP function does not really apply sa games coz i mentioned di lang yan ang binebenta nila.. they sell other stuff as well na wala pwedeng wala pa nagmamay ari ng distribution rights sa ph.. hence the PHP
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:50 PM #
Question #3: So how about the news reports regarding the apparent, smuggling or piracy which was released by local news stations? Also is there a connection between GMA and you guys since people have been thinking that the news report was poorly done? And propaganda against Datablitz (since they’re supposed to be partnered with X-play?)
X-Play: In regards to that, we don’t have authority on what they (GMA) did. A reputable news organization like GMA wouldn’t let something like this affect their news reporting so we can’t really influence them. We were just as surprised with the reports that came out. As for the GMA connection, our joint partnership had ended recently. They’re just share holders now.
Question #4: The other question that has been plaguing the community is your claim for exclusivity of the distribution of NBA 2k13. How does that work?
X-Play: Take 2 Interactive recognizes X-Play as the exclusive distributor of the NBA 2k13 games in all platforms in the Philippines.
Question #5: So, if that’s the case, why didn’t Take 2 Interactive say something about it? And what is your proof of the agreement?
X-Play: You guys have to understand that the legal situation in the states is different here in the Philippines. Whenever a company releases a “statement” in the states they would need to go through a lot of legal counsels. We have informed Take 2 Interactive about this and they have been investigating as well.
We would love to release to the public the contract, but we were advised by our lawyers that we can’t do so for the meantime.
One of the X-play representative present on the event that he has the respect for Datablitz with their stance against piracy. However, Datablitz really did a number on them business wise specially since Datablitz was with them since day 1. They just wanted to bring the whole NBA experience to the local Filipino NBA fans and things went out of hand when the news reports came out and they were just as taken aback as the people who heard it first with what happened.
So basically that’s what happened during the discussion. X-play will eventually release the complaint forms that they filed to CIDG so if ever we’ll keep you guys informed with further developments.
As for their involvement in the actual raids itself, X-play is adamant that they have no hand in it at all.
“We’ll just have to take this as a learning experience,” the X-Play representative muses
<click here for link>
ang linaw... "can't" is not equal to "will not"... can't kasi possible na walang maipakita... kung "will not", possibleng meron pero feel lang nila na wag ipakita...
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:53 PM #
therefore pwede rin natin isipin na hindi pa na establish ng klaro ang coverage ng contract ni play-asia.. just because meron sila PHP option eh nangangahulugan na pwede sila magbenta nung particular game sa pinas.. pwede isipin na di pa na clarify yung kontrata between exclusive distributor in asia.. pwede din isipin na yung PHP function does not really apply sa games coz i mentioned di lang yan ang binebenta nila.. they sell other stuff as well na wala pwedeng wala pa nagmamay ari ng distribution rights sa ph.. hence the PHP
grasping for straws ka na...
<click here for link>
may US price may Peso price... ang LINAW! lol
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:54 PM #
yan ikaw na mismo nagsabi! isn't that 2k sport should be the one suing DB? not XPlay? bakit di nanghihimasok ang 2k dito.. so kaw na nag sabi?
2k should support xplay if this is the case and case closed agad ito kung ganon nga...
agree disagree?
pwede naman di manghimasok si 2k eh, kasi si xplay ang representative nila dito sa pinas but i would have to guess na inform na si 2k dito pero its between xplay and db pa rin.. they can back this up para case closed nga.. kasi kung walang support si 2k, then bakit di pa magawan ng solution ni DB para maibalik yung stocks nya, anyway legal naman stocks nya di ba, nagbayad siya ng tamang tax i would assume? bat until now wala pa naibabalik? di ba kaya malakas talaga kapit ni xplay sa 2k?
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deadmanwade
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12 Nov 12 @ 03:59 PM #
grasping for straws ka na...
<click here for link>
may US price may Peso price... ang LINAW! lol
grasping fro straws? lol ako pa utuin mo.. bakit nba2k13 lang ba binibenta ni playasia at dahil may PHP option sila eh nangangahulugan na yung contract nya with 2k covers philippines dahil may PHP dun at nagshi-ship sila sa pinas?
lol eh kaya may php sila dyan at nagshi-ship sila sa pinas dahil may mga binibenta sila na items na walang exclusive distributor sa pinas.. gaya ng toys.. konti lang brands ng toys ang meron exclusive distributor dito.. yung iba dyan lalo na japan manufacturer eh wala pa distributor sa pinas.. kaya if i am playasia i would open my doors sa ph buyers.. bulto-bulto din mga bibile eh hindi lang paisa-isa
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ivan_lee05
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:01 PM #
hahaha.. walang maipapakita yan... at kung ako sa DB... tatambakan ko ng sangkaterbang kaso yan... isasama ko na ang mga pesteng one-sided na news stations at dyaryo...
milyon-milyon ang hihingin kong kapalit sa perwisyong ginawa nla...
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:01 PM #
grasping fro straws? lol ako pa utuin mo.. bakit nba2k13 lang ba binibenta ni playasia at dahil may PHP option sila eh nangangahulugan na yung contract nya with 2k covers philippines dahil may PHP dun at nagshi-ship sila sa pinas?
lol eh kaya may php sila dyan at nagshi-ship sila sa pinas dahil may mga binibenta sila na items na walang exclusive distributor sa pinas.. gaya ng toys.. konti lang brands ng toys ang meron exclusive distributor dito.. yung iba dyan lalo na japan manufacturer eh wala pa distributor sa pinas.. kaya if i am playasia i would open my doors sa ph buyers.. bulto-bulto din mga bibile eh hindi lang paisa-isa
whatever floats your boat dude. lol...
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:04 PM #
isasama ko na ang mga pesteng one-sided na news stations at dyaryo...
mukhang wala nga... kasi tignan mo to...
We were just as surprised with the reports that came out. As for the GMA connection, our joint partnership had ended recently. They’re just share holders now.
looks like a rat smelling fire from a burning ship... lol
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kutojin
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:07 PM #
You guys have to understand that the legal situation in the states is different here in the Philippines. Whenever a company releases a “statement” in the states they would need to go through a lot of legal counsels. We have informed Take 2 Interactive about this and they have been investigating as well.
BS... lol
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Prisma
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:21 PM #
Lakas talaga mangbarbs ang xplay ^^
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Prisma
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:26 PM #
deadmanwade sabi ng xplay good job daw kunin mo na yung pay check mo sa main office nila.
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mangyver
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:26 PM #
@kutojin
no need to waste another reply for that person :P
he has his own views about sa issue na to...
problem lang eh andun na yung mga facts eh gusto pa paikutin...kung ako may makukuha kay xplay, malamang ganito din gawin ko...
kaya lang loyal DB customer ako eh. LOL :P
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client
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:28 PM #
The source also stated that X-Play PR-folk (outsourced) have been creating dummy accounts across the various local forums where the issue was being discussed, in order to try and ease up the beating X-Play has been getting, and build some goodwill on the company’s part
LOL! alam na kung sino yan sa thread na to! wala na hindi niyo na mababago yan, bibili nalang ako ng pirated kesa bumili sa x-play na yan!
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bossing_leo
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12 Nov 12 @ 04:34 PM #
nasa DB na rin yan kung paano sila makakaganti kay XPLAY. minsan, ganyan talaga sa negosyo. nakakainis lang napaka-weak ng lawyer ng DB. anyway, pwede silang lumapit sa XXX at feeling ko ima-magnify ito ng ebs. next time, sana kumuha rin sila ng mga military shareholders sa negosyo para mas ok.
