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Radeon HD5570 slower than normal question...

  • I\'m checking out a friend\'s PowerColor Radeon HD5570 1Gb GDDR3 graphics card (model: AX5570 1GBK3-HV2):

    GPU-Z info:



    These are the scores I got while running 3DMark03, 3DMark05, 3DMark06, 3DMark Vantage:

    specs = Core 2 Duo E6420, Asus P5L-MX (945G chipset), 4Gb DDR2, Win7 SP1 (32-bit)
    PowerColor Radeon HD5570 Catalyst 11.12

    3DMark03 = 15315
    3DMark05 = 9779
    3DMark06 = 4595
    3DMark Vantage (Performance preset) = P3186 ; GPU score = 2986


    When I compare the scores with HD5570 scores on the Internet, it seems a bit slower (sometimes much slower) -- I understand most benchmark reviews use a very fast CPU system (whereas here it\'s an old E6420 only), but then I don\'t think the E6420 should be bottlenecking the HD5570 a lot to have significantly slower scores.
    (compared for instance: <click here for link>
    where the test setup used a Core i7-920 and got these scores:
    3DMark03 = 24194
    3DMark05 = 13798
    3DMark06 = 7275 )


    I notice this PowerColor Radeon HD5570 has a slightly slower memory clock than the reference HD5570:
    this HD5570 has only 667mhz GDDR3 memory (=1334mhz effective rate)
    whereas the reference Radeon HD5570 is supposed to be 800mhz = 1600mhz effective rate
    while some Radeon HD5570 actually have 900mhz = 1800mhz effective rate.


    But not only that.
    I notice that based on GPU-Z and other specs info,
    the Radeon HD5570 is supposed to have 400 stream / unified shader processors.
    Whereas this PowerColor HD5570 has only 320 stream / unified shader processors (assuming GPU-Z is correct).


    Can someone else post the GPU-Z screenshot of their Radeon HD5570 for comparison purposes?
    (specifically I\'m interested to find out if the Sapphire Radeon HD5570 has similar specs since they have similar price)

    ~~~~~

    Isn\'t HD5570 supposed to be codenamed \"Redwood\", why is it \"Turks\" here?

    Or is there a \"cut-down\" version of HD5570, which is used in this budget-oriented PowerColor HD5570 (kaya pala mas mura siya kaysa sa ibang HD5570...)

    And 320 stream processors / unified shaders is supposed to be Radeon HD5550, not the HD5570 (= 400 shaders) -- is Powercolor really cutting corners here?

    -- edited by dta on Jan 25 2012, 12:43 AM
  • Actually, the TechPowerUp link I compared is also a PowerColor Radeon HD5570, pero it\'s using a Radeon HD5570 with 400 stream processors, 650mhz GPU clock, and 800mhz (=1600mhz) MEM clock.

    Nakakapagtaka lang bakit yung nabili nito is a PowerColor Radeon HD5570 with 320 stream processors, 650mhz GPU clock and 667 (=1334mhz) MEM clock.

    The significant thing is the 320 vs 400 stream processors. I notice from another web reference that someone got a PowerColor with a clocked down MEM clock (667mhz instead of 800mhz -- so this seems to be a \"cutting corners\" thing for PowerColor). Also, checking PowerColor\'s website, they do NOT list the MEM clock for their HD5570 (malamang kasi they are cutting corners here compared to other reference HD5570).

    -- edited by dta on Jan 25 2012, 12:47 AM
  • there are differences in the model maybe? so it pays to double check
  • I checked the powercolor website and I saw there 2 version the go green hd5570 and the ordinary hd5570 bout are 650mhz engine clock according to their website. <click here for link> but about the 400 Stream Processing Units, yes it\'s 400 maybe your gpu is down-clocked in bios? or as is na talaga nya yan, and confusing nga yung \"Turk\" and \"Redwood\" na yun.


    Actually, the model I tested doesn\'t seem to be in PowerColor\'s website (model: AX5570 1GBK3-HV2), at least I didn\'t find it there yet.

    With regards to the memory clock of 667mhz, it\'s the default clock in BIOS. I also checked the actual memory chips used by this graphics card, which is Nanya nt5cb64m16dp-cf -- which, according to Nanya\'s website: <click here for link>), are GDDR3 memory modules rated at 667mhz (so it\'s not underclocked or overclocked), although these clocks are lower than reference HD5570\'s (which are supposed to be 800mhz).

    Yung 400 stream processing units na lang yung currently unknown.


    My guess (could be a wild guess) is that this is a new revision of HD5570 that uses newer technology (Turks, which is actually the HD6xxx series) instead of (Redwood, HD5xxx series). But for some reason, this is a cut-down version of Turks.

    So baka yung mga di pumasa na Turks (those that passed the quality tests would be placed in HD6570 and HD6670 GPUs -- Turks has 480 stream processing units for reference units), became the new HD5570. Unfortunately, I wonder if the Redwood 400 stream processing units would be equivalent to Turks 320 stream processing units.

    see here for the various AMD chips
    <click here for link>


    More confusing clues here:
    <click here for link>

    ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series = Evergreen (Redwood) = 68DA
    AMD Radeon HD 5500 Series = Northern Islands (Turks) = 675F


    Take note my GPU-Z screenshot of the PowerColor Radeon HD5570 says Device ID = 675F and String ID = \"AMD Radeon HD 5500 series\".

    Siguro yung totoong HD5570 (the older one with 400 stream processing units) would have Device ID = 68DA and \"ATI Radeon HD5500 series\".

    Can someone with an HD5570 (different brand/model) kindly post a GPU-Z screenshot so we can compare results? Thanks!


    Mukhang iba yung \"ATI Radeon HD5570\" sa \"AMD Radeon HD5570\", even in terms of performance???

    -- edited by dta on Jan 25 2012, 02:22 AM
  • I checked other web reviews of PowerColor Radeon HD5570:

    <click here for link>

    This guy\'s PowerColor HD5570 has the same clocks as the one I got, the mem clock is also 667mhz (underclocked compared to reference 800 or 900mhz). However, his unit has 400 Shaders and the Pixel Fillrate and Texel Fillrate is thus much higher. (The memory bandwidth is exactly the same due to havin the same MEM=667mhz)




    the user review posted his 3DMark06 score (not \'official\' defaults though - since he uses 1366x768 instead of the official 1280x1024 resolution)



    But still, comparing to the PowerColor Radeon HD5570 1Gb AX5570-1GBK3-HV2 (my test unit):



    1366x768 score may be around 5-10% higher than 1280x1024 resolution. But the scores are still significantly different in the above comparison.

    ~~~~~

    The problem with this is kung binalik sa store where this card was bought, maintindihan kaya ng store personnel if I tell them: \"kulang po yung shaders\" ng HD5570 - pwede pa-RMA?

    (there is otherwise no problem with this card other than the slower performance than reference HD5570 or even other PowerColor HD5570 benchmarks that I can find on the Internet -- unless someone else here who bought the local version of PowerColor HD5570 can also post their benchmarks so we can compare results).

    ~~~~~

    for some reason, even using the latest Catalyst 12.1 driver,
    it doesn\'t indicate Radeon HD5570. It always only says ambiguous \"AMD Radeon HD5500 Series\" (compare the sample of the person above which actually states \"ATI Radeon HD5570\").

    -- edited by dta on Jan 27 2012, 12:02 PM
  • @dta I\'m the one who texted you yesterday regarding the same issue with the graphics card I purchased recently.

    Here\'s the screenie of GPU-Z and 3dmark06:




    Everything\'s identical except the brand, even the benchmark result is almost the same.

    Planning to get a replacement pag may time mag punta sa gilmore, I have also sent an email to AMD support let\'s see what they have to say regarding this.
  • AJ_Lim, thanks very much for posting about your Sapphire Radeon HD5570 1GB GDDR3 graphics card.

    I wonder if the Sapphire Radeon HD5570 1Gb GDDR5 (there are a couple of sellers of this video card here in TPC, priced around Php 2,370) would be the 400 shader version or 320 shaders (with much faster GDDR5 memory).

    In case you could get it replaced with the HD5570 1Gb GDDR5 version....


    (I have also posted my findings in another foreign hardware message forum, to see if other countries have this \"crippled\" HD5570 in their countries... so far the members in that foreign board are also stumped... will check if any new findings..)
  • waa just bought 10 pcs power color unfortunately Turks ang GPU name, is there any update on this like bios update or something mababa sya sa normal 5570 damn
  • chanrio13,

    Can you post the GPU-Z screenshot of the new PowerColor Radeon HD5570 that you got?

    How are the benchmark scores? Is it similar or slower than the "reference" Radeon HD5570 benchmark scores from online reviews?
  • Ganyan din nabili q 2300php powercolor 5570 iba din ung nakalagay pag sa cpuz
  • UP ko lang to...

    sad to say meron ako nito... bagong bili... 121units...

    say di ko nalang papalitan ang mga to...

    ano kaya ang EXPECTED performance ng mga ito???

    compared to other vcards???

    para may idea ako sa bilis nito?
  • Quoting from above:

    specs = Core 2 Duo E6420, Asus P5L-MX (945G chipset), 4Gb DDR2, Win7 SP1 (32-bit)
    PowerColor Radeon HD5570 Catalyst 11.12

    3DMark03 = 15315
    3DMark05 = 9779
    3DMark06 = 4595
    3DMark Vantage (Performance preset) = P3186 ; GPU score = 2986


    When I compare the scores with HD5570 scores on the Internet, it seems a bit slower (sometimes much slower) -- I understand most benchmark reviews use a very fast CPU system (whereas here it's an old E6420 only), but then I don't think the E6420 should be bottlenecking the HD5570 a lot to have significantly slower scores.
    (compared for instance: <click here for link>
    where the test setup used a Core i7-920 and got these scores:
    3DMark03 = 24194
    3DMark05 = 13798
    3DMark06 = 7275 )


    If coupled with a slower processor, the 3DMark03/05/06 scores would be slightly lower, but not THAT MUCH slower.
    In the above case, the scores are almost 50% slower. (in my experience, 3DMark03/05/06 are not that CPU-bound, unlike 3DMark2001SE, which is relatively CPU-bound, meaning a faster CPU will make 3DMark2001SE's scores much higher on a graphics card that can go faster.

    Check your 3DMark03/05/06 benchmark scores.
  • Any updates dito ito din powmdrcolor ko
  • The Powercolor AX5570 1GBK3-HV2 is a Go Green Edition part and not the regular AX5570 1GBD3-H. This could explain the lower performance issue?

    Also, there are 5 different 5570 cards displayed on Powercolor's website. No idea why there are so many sub versions for this :(

    -- edited by leorickg on Mar 19 2013, 09:04 PM
  • Bossing yung go green po has passivte coolng po e
  • The Powercolor AX5570 1GBK3-HV2 is a Go Green Edition part and not the regular AX5570 1GBD3-H. This could explain the lower performance issue?


    The AX5570 1GBK3-HV2 uses active cooling and is not labeled Go Green edition po. It's just the regular edition. Baka ibang model nakita ninyo, sir leorickg.
  • mas mabilis pa ang gt 220!
    4 rops eeeeeeeeeeeew

    -- edited by avelurs on Sep 05 2014, 09:14 AM