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Unified AMD A-series desktop APU thread (FM2+ / FM2 / FM1)

  • ok po boss leo_ricq.. boss may gtx 650 po ako na stock d2 sa bahay pee kya yun ikabit with A6? sana maka high setting sya sa WOT..
  • Good Day po.. I've been playing World of Tanks sa Laptop ko for almost a year now.. gusto ko po sana mag build ng Desktop para mka pahinga nman yung Laptop ko.. tanung Lang po sana ako kung kaya ng Procie na APU ang mairerecommend nyo sa akin medyo kapos po sa budget kasi nag bubuo din ako ng Mountain Bike.. Pede po ba Icrossfire yung APU sa Dedicated video card?


    sir... advice ko lang po.. kung APU ka dapat mag xfire ka kc kung mag IGPU gamitin mo d kakayanin ng APU ang wot.. suggestion lang nag dual graphics ka kung APU gaya ng gamit ko...

    total single core lang ang WOT khit A6 ok na.. tapos ang graphic mag 7750 ka. gaya ng gamit ko.. nasa medium setting tapos ang ang extra graphics na magpapabigat ng load.


    ok po boss leo_ricq.. boss may gtx 650 po ako na stock d2 sa bahay pee kya yun ikabit with A6? sana maka high setting sya sa WOT..


    Again, even if we are in an AMD APU thread, I advise against buying a discrete GPU for Dual Graphics or buying an AMD APU as of this time

    I am a previous owner of A10-5800K @ 4.1 GHz + HD 7660D @ 950 MHz + 4GBx2 DDR3 1866. The iGPU of current APU's (even the A10-7850K) is only good for 720p with high settings. It struggles at 1080p with low settings

    Even if you don't have a 1080p monitor right now, I suggest you build a PC that can at least let you play games at 1080p with medium or high settings but no AA

    As for Dual Graphics, it's broken. It does not work in DX9 games and there are games where Dual Graphics gives less performance than a discrete GPU uses for that Dual Graphics setup (example: HD 7660D + HD 6670 has less performance than HD 6670 running alone). There are many articles on Dual Graphics to prove it, just search it on Google



    Here is an affordable gaming PC that will let you play current games at 1080p with high settings

    Intel Pentium G3258 3.2 GHz (unlocked multiplier) - Php 3,300
    MSI H81M-P33 - Php 2,350
    G.Skill RipJaws X 4GBx1 DDR3 1600 CL9 - Php 2,300
    Inno3D GTX 750 Ti 2GB - Php 6,670
    Corsair VS450 - Php 1,670
    Fractal Core 1000 - Php 1,690
    Seagate 1TB (ST1000DM003) - Php 2,790

    Total - 20770


    If you want to reduce the cost of that build, you can choose from one of these GPU's

    Inno3D GeForce GT 730 1GB GDDR5 - Php 2,730
    Power Color Radeon R7 250X - Php 4,425
  • Thank you sir bintsmok..
  • Kung may gtx 650 ka ok na yan di mo na kailangan bumili ng bago. Sayang din pera sa G3258 unless plano mo mag OC, dumadami na bagong games na naghahanap ng more than 2 cores or at least more than 2 threads. Either cheapest dual (celeron) o straight to i3 otherwise sayang lang pera.
  • Sayang din pera sa G3258 unless plano mo mag OC, dumadami na bagong games na naghahanap ng more than 2 cores


    2 strong Intel Haswell CPU cores = 4 weak AMD Piledriver CPU cores

    Sorry, but that is the truth. Here is my review of Pentium G3258 vs A10-5800K <click here for link>


    Here is Tom's Hardware

    Intel Pentium G3258 OC = 2 Haswell CPU cores @ 4.5 GHz
    AMD Athlon X4 750K OC = 4 Piledriver CPU cores @ 4.3 GHz

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    The problem with current APU's is the iGPU is severely bottlenecked by DDR3. Unless AMD solves the memory bottleneck issue, stay away from AMD APU's if you will build a PC for gaming
  • @bintsmok

    Ang layo naman nyang pinag kumparahan mo. AMD Athlon X4 750K 2012 model pa yan Trinity tapos ikukumpara mo sa Haswell 2014 model.

    Ikumpara mo sa Kaveri 7850K o kaya sa FX 8350.

    Wala akong bote sa Kaveri 7850K ko. Lahat ng trabaho ko nagagawa ko. Pati paglalaro ng heavy games.

    FC4 at DAI kinain nga ng buong buo ng Kaveri ko.

    Sa Solid Works at Autocad mabilis din mag render.
  • Ang layo naman nyang pinag kumparahan mo. AMD Athlon X4 750K 2012 model pa yan Trinity tapos ikukumpara mo sa Haswell 2014 model.


    Ang alam ko, wala pang Kaveri-based Athlon X4 when Tom's Hardware made the review of Pentium G3258

    At isa pa, 10 to 20% faster ang Kaveri kumpara sa Trinity/Richland kung clock-for-clock comparison. Athlon X4 750K vs Pentium G3258 is still a valid comparison

    Ikumpara mo sa Kaveri 7850K o kaya sa FX 8350.


    Magkano ba ang A10-7850K ? Talo yan sa price-to-performance ratio

    FX-8350 ? Sure, panalo yan sa performance. Sa price kaya ?.....


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    Radeon HD 7950 was used for Crysis 3 benchmark <click here for link>


    FC4 at DAI kinain nga ng buong buo ng Kaveri ko.

    Sa Solid Works at Autocad mabilis din mag render.


    Test methodology ? Ano ginamit mong GPU for comparing CPU gaming performance ?

    Pag high-end GPU, bottleneck yang 4 Kaveri CPU cores

    Kung gaming PC with a mid-range or high-end GPU, FX-6300 ang good value for the money. Of course, kung kaya ng budget ang FX-8300 series, mas maganda

    Di talaga competitive ang pricing ng Kaveri APU's.

    -- edited by bintsmok on Jan 16 2015, 10:39 AM
  • @bintsmok

    Ano ba gamit mo na PC ngayon?
  • @bintsmok

    Wala akong sinabing kahit ano tungkol sa performance ng quad AMD vs dual intel. Ang sinabi ko dumadami na games na naghahanap ng more than 2 cores at walang kwenta bumili ng G3258 kung walang balak mag OC. Konti na lang i3 na, yun na lang at least me HT. O magtipid na lang at mag G1840.

    Walang silbi unlocked multiplier ng G3258 kung ang required ng lalaruin more than 2 cores/threads, di rin tatakbo ng matino if at all unless may patch/injector. Minsan nga kahit meron nagkakaproblema pa rin. Sa totoo lang asar din ako na di na inooptimize ng mga devs yung games na nagrerequire ng 3-4 cores dahil multi-platform (consoles) kahit kayang kaya naman ng 2 lang kaso ano gagawin magmukmok sa sulok pagkatapos bumili ng mahal na dual tapos di rin malaro yung gustong laruin? At least yung G1840 wala pang 2k.

    Yung A8-7600, P4750 lang meron ng quad + R7 240 DDR3, di na masama. Kahit pa parang G1610 lang single-threaded performance at G3220 lang multi-threaded, para sa nasa 2.5k lang na processor (kung ibabawas yung presyo ng R7 240 ddr3) makakalaro na ng karamihan ng games sa medium 720p. Yan o i3 o G1840, doesn't matter. Lahat mas sulit kesa G3258 para sa wala naman balak mag OC.

    -- edited by flushfire on Jan 16 2015, 11:24 PM
  • Di talaga competitive ang pricing ng Kaveri APU's
    totoo yan kasi mahal sya talaga.. pero once HSA is implemented.. malalaman mo worth nyan. Sa Vide conversion ang bilis ng Kaveri... using AMD APP Acceleration ^_^ + 4 CPU Cores
  • I'll try it myself. nababaliw na ko kakatingin ng reviews + benchmark. Bibili na ako ng a8 7600 then judge on my own, kesa tingin ako ng tingin ng benchmark na di ko alam kung totoo or first hand info galing sa nagreview. hehe. Thanks sa mga inputs nyo, mukang eto lang talaga pasok sa budget ko. Tingin nyo mga sir ok tong set-up na to?

    Motherboard FM2+ Gigabyte GA-F2A88-HD3
    Processor FM2+ AMD Kaveri A8-7600 3.10-3.80GHz 4-Core
    Gskill Ripjaws X 8gb 4gbx2 DDR3 2133 CL9 (F3-2133C9D-8GXL)
    Psu Corsair VS450 Power Supply
    Hdd Internal Western Digital WD Caviar Blue 1TB 64MB WD10EZEX
    Cooler Deepcool GAMMAXX 200 CPU Cooler
    Case , Orion TBR-F9 Argo Black Blue Casing
  • Hindi na ata sumagot si bintsmok?
  • Pansin ko lang mas maganda ang takbo ng Dragon age inquisition sa Llano APU kaysa sa Trinity APU kasi gamit na gamit iyung VLIW5 kaya may advantage ang Llano kumpara sa VLIW4 ng Trinity. Rare case ito kasi masyadong graphics heavy at complicated ang Inquisition kaya sa ganitong kalagayan naging disadvantage ito ng VLIW4. Although hindi ko ito maconfirm kasi wala na akong Trinity na CPU pero sa mga forums marami talaga ang nag play ng Inquisition na Llano APU users ang mga naka-Trinity ay gumagamit ng dedicated/discrete na graphics card.

    Kaya lang maraming LLano ang nag BSOD dahil hindi makayanan ng memory ang demand ng Llano. Ang solusyon ay gumamit ng mas mabilis na memory CL9 or faster at mag dual channel.

    -- edited by DJunea90 on Jan 24 2015, 03:49 PM
  • @ Bongky

    Ano ba gamit mo na PC ngayon?


    Intel Pentium G3258 @ 4.2 GHz + Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual

    Lahat ng bago at recent games ay playable @ 1080p with high settings using FXAA or SMAA. I don't buy and don't pirate Ubisoft games so don't ask me about Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed

    Before switching to Pentium G3258, I am using an AMD A10-5800K @ 4.1 GHz with my Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual. I'm also a previous owner of A8-3870K and A8-3850


    @ flushfire

    Sayang din pera sa G3258 unless plano mo mag OC, dumadami na bagong games na naghahanap ng more than 2 cores


    2 strong Intel Haswell CPU cores = 4 weak AMD Piledriver CPU cores

    Sorry, but that is the truth. Here is my review of Pentium G3258 vs A10-5800K <click here for link>

    Here is Tom's Hardware

    Intel Pentium G3258 OC = 2 Haswell CPU cores @ 4.5 GHz
    AMD Athlon X4 750K OC = 4 Piledriver CPU cores @ 4.3 GHz


    External Image

    <click here for link>


    Wala akong sinabing kahit ano tungkol sa performance ng quad AMD vs dual intel. Ang sinabi ko dumadami na games na naghahanap ng more than 2 cores


    Then, you didn't get my point

    AMD's current CPU's have very weak performance that is why 2 Intel Haswell cores is just as fast as (sometimes even faster) 4 AMD Piledriver/Kaveri cores

    If you don't believe me, try running Metro: Last Light with a dual-core APU. If you own a quad-core APU, you can disable 2 CPU cores in the BIOS or thru Windows. You can even use a FX-based AMD CPU to test it since APU's and FX CPU's have the same CPU design. APU's just don't have L3 cache

    I have already done it. I paired A10-5800K @ 4.1 GHz with GTX 750 Ti. I did a comparison of 2 CPU cores and 4 CPU cores using GTX 750 Ti. There is a ~40% reduction in average frame rate when going from 4 Piledriver CPU cores to 2 Piledriver CPU cores. Games tested were Metro: Last Light and Hitman: Absolution

    Walang silbi unlocked multiplier ng G3258 kung ang required ng lalaruin more than 2 cores/threads, di rin tatakbo ng matino if at all unless may patch/injector. Minsan nga kahit meron nagkakaproblema pa rin. Sa totoo lang asar din ako na di na inooptimize ng mga devs yung games na nagrerequire ng 3-4 cores dahil multi-platform (consoles) kahit kayang kaya naman ng 2 lang kaso ano gagawin magmukmok sa sulok pagkatapos bumili ng mahal na dual tapos di rin malaro yung gustong laruin? At least yung G1840 wala pang 2k.

    Yung A8-7600, P4750 lang meron ng quad + R7 240 DDR3, di na masama.


    Intel Pentium G3258 3.2 GHz (unlocked multiplier) - Php 3,300
    MSI H81M-P33 - Php 2,350
    Zotac GeForce GT 730 1GB GDDR5 - Php 2,640

    Total - Php 8,290


    AMD A8-7600 - Php 4,750
    ASRock FM2A58M-HD+ - Php 2,300
    Power Color R7 240 1GB DDR3 - Php 2,740

    Total - Php 9,790


    The Intel setup is faster and costs less.

    AMD Dual Graphics to increase gaming performance of the APU ? Good luck with that :)


    As for Pentium G3258 vs Core i3 4130, Pentium G3258 is still a better option:

    Longevity - Pentium G3258 + affordable Z97 board. Once Intel Broadwell arrives (will use LGA 1150 with 9 series chipset), sell the G3258 and get a Broadwell Core i7/i5

    Cost and gaming performance - for the same budget, the build with G3258 will have a better gaming performance since more budget can be allocated to the GPU


    @ tuklap

    Di talaga competitive ang pricing ng Kaveri APU's


    totoo yan kasi mahal sya talaga.. pero once HSA is implemented.. malalaman mo worth nyan. Sa Vide conversion ang bilis ng Kaveri... using AMD APP Acceleration ^_^ + 4 CPU Cores


    How many applications today support HSA ?

    By the time HSA is supported by many applications (maybe 2 to 3 years from now), better APU's are already in the market. I don't recommend buying a Kaveri APU now because of HSA

    What I would be interested in is how will AMD solve the memory bottleneck issue of the upcoming desktop APU's. DDR3 is too slow for the iGPU

    But to be fair, A8-7600 is good option if you want to build a cheap PC for light tasks and gaming @ 720p



    == == ==
    == == ==

    I'm not trolling this AMD APU thread, merely stating facts

    I loved APU's when they were still new in the market and was able to play games @ 720p with high details using only the iGPU of the APU.

    But Kaveri does not offer much of gaming improvement when compared to Trinity/Richland. That is why I cancelled my A10-7850K upgrade plan and just bought a GTX 750 Ti for my A10-5800K

    -- edited by bintsmok on Jan 24 2015, 05:16 PM
  • Sa mga A8-6600k user jan ano po ba max temp niyo pag on game and idle? kase po ung ung aken pagnaglalaro ako umaabot ng 85-107 degreee celsius e need badly ur help :( ang gamit ko pong temp. monitor is piriform speccy
  • ^subukan mo hwinfo
  • liltiff
    hindi accurate ang AMD when it term to temp reading kahit anong sofware pa gamitin mo more or less eh close lang ang reading
  • nagtataka nga ako e nung una insip ko wala ng thermal paste pero nung pagkabaklas ko meron pa naman pero nilagyan ko na din para sure then pag open ko ng pc ganon pa din ung temp nya di bumaba
  • @liltiff

    Malakas talaga mag init ang 6600K at maganda performance. After market na CPU Cooler ilagay mo at Arctic Silver 5 na thermal paste kailangan mo dyan para hindi mag init ng husto.
  • @bintsmok
    Intel Pentium G3258 3.2 GHz (unlocked multiplier) - Php 3,300
    MSI H81M-P33 - Php 2,350
    Zotac GeForce GT 730 1GB GDDR5 - Php 2,640
    Total - Php 8,290

    AMD A8-7600 - Php 4,750
    ASRock FM2A58M-HD+ - Php 2,300
    Power Color R7 240 1GB DDR3 - Php 2,740
    Total - Php 9,790

    The Intel setup is faster and costs less.

    Patawa. Bakit mo lalagyan ng discrete R7 240 yung A8? Natural mas mahal lalabas. Yung IGP lang ng A8 sapat na para tapatan performance ng discrete R7 240 ddr3 yun ang punto ko sa sinabi ko. Asan ang sinabi ko tungkol sa dual-graphics? Nyare sa reading comprehension?

    Kaw tong di makakuha ng point kasi gusto mo lang maging tama. Kaya kung anu-anong strawman pinagsasasabi mo na wala naman sa mga sinasabi ko. Wala akong sinabing kahit ano tungkol sa performance at wala din akong binanggit na kahit anong AMD processor sa unang post ko na quinote mo. Wala din akong sinabing kahit ano tungkol sa dual-graphics. Ikaw lang nagdagdag ng mga yan. Magdadagdag pa, longevity naman daw. Plano mo rin lang pala palitan yung mahal pa bibilin di mas malaki nawalang value sa resale?

    "Lahat" daw ng bago at recent games pero may exception, yun ba meaning ng lahat? Sige, subukan mo maglaro ng DA:I sa G3258 tingnan natin kung gano kalayo marating mo. Halata naman na gusto mo lang palabasin na tama ka kaya kung anu-ano dinadagdag mo na pwede mo i-argue. Try mo sa pagong baka sakaling effective yung ganyang tactic.

    -- edited by flushfire on Jan 26 2015, 07:59 PM
  • @ flushfire

    Yung A8-7600, P4750 lang meron ng quad + R7 240 DDR3, di na masama.


    Intel Pentium G3258 3.2 GHz (unlocked multiplier) - Php 3,300
    MSI H81M-P33 - Php 2,350
    Zotac GeForce GT 730 1GB GDDR5 - Php 2,640
    Total - Php 8,290

    AMD A8-7600 - Php 4,750
    ASRock FM2A58M-HD+ - Php 2,300
    Power Color R7 240 1GB DDR3 - Php 2,740
    Total - Php 9,790

    The Intel setup is faster and costs less.


    Patawa. Bakit mo lalagyan ng discrete R7 240 yung A8? Natural mas mahal lalabas. Yung IGP lang ng A8 sapat na para tapatan performance ng discrete R7 240 ddr3 yun ang punto ko sa sinabi ko. Asan ang sinabi ko tungkol sa dual-graphics? Nyare sa reading comprehension?


    Sorry, na-misinterpret ko

    Ok, I'll revise

    Intel Pentium G3258 3.2 GHz (unlocked multiplier) - Php 3,300
    MSI H81M-P33 - Php 2,350
    Zotac GeForce GT 730 1GB GDDR5 - Php 2,640
    Total - Php 8,290

    AMD A8-7600 - Php 4,750
    ASRock FM2A58M-HD+ - Php 2,300
    Total - Php 7,050

    The Intel build is still faster in gaming. Now, does the gaming performance of advantage of G3258 + GT 730 1GB DDR5 enough to justify the difference of Php 1,240 ? For me, yes. Malaki ang agwat ng GT 730 GDDR5 sa iGPU using DDR3


    Kaw tong di makakuha ng point kasi gusto mo lang maging tama. Kaya kung anu-anong strawman pinagsasasabi mo na wala naman sa mga sinasabi ko. Wala akong sinabing kahit ano tungkol sa performance at wala din akong binanggit na kahit anong AMD processor sa unang post ko na quinote mo.


    Walang straw man fallacy sa post ko

    Review lang natin, nagsimula ang argument sa page 271 ng thread na ito

    Nag-recommend ako ng build with Pentium G3258 + discrete GPU as an alternative for an AMD APU. Tapos nag-post ka ng "Sayang din pera sa G3258 unless plano mo mag OC, dumadami na bagong games na naghahanap ng more than 2 cores or at least more than 2 threads."

    You are implying na di pwede ang G3258 sa mga games na required ang more than 2 cores / 2 threads. Kaya ako nag-post ng benchmark (from Tom's Hardware and from my own testing) ng AMD Piledriver 4-core CPU vs Intel Haswell 2-core CPU ay dahil that does not apply to Intel Haswell. Di na core-for-core ang competition ngayon between Intel and AMD. Yes, there are games na di tatakbo ng maayos sa 2-core AMD CPU pero tatakbo ng maayos sa 2-core Intel CPU (I have my own tests to back up my claim).

    Check mo ang competition between Intel and AMD way back in 2009. It's dual-core VS dual-core and quad-core VS quad-core.

    Ito na lang patunay na hindi na core-for-core ang labanan between AMD and Intel, check the performance comparison of Intel Core i5 4690K (4 cores) and AMD FX-8350 (8 cores). Napag-iwanan na ang AMD in terms of technology. AMD is just competing on price and performance

    Sana na-gets mo na ang point ko


    Sige, subukan mo maglaro ng DA:I sa G3258 tingnan natin kung gano kalayo marating mo.


    Well, I don't have that game. I rarely buy games from Origin. I prefer to buy at Steam

    I know it does not run on any dual-core CPU. We're not sure if it's because of bad porting or the games really needs 4 CPU cores

    Pero tulad ng sinabi ko, ang gaming PC ko ay Intel Pentium G3258 @ 4.2 GHz + Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual. Wala akong problema sa mga current and recent games. Gaming @ 1080p with high settings

    -- edited by bintsmok on Jan 26 2015, 08:01 PM
  • @ flushfire

    "Lahat" daw ng bago at recent games pero may exception, yun ba meaning ng lahat?


    I see, may post nga ako nung January 24, 2015 na nalagyan ko ng "lahat". Don't worry, di ko i-e-edit dahil maayos ako kausap at di ako troll. I should have said, "marami" instead of "lahat"

    It's obviously a typing mistake since ito yung post ko "Lahat ng bago at recent games ay playable @ 1080p with high settings using FXAA or SMAA. I don't buy and don't pirate Ubisoft games so don't ask me about Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed". Sinabi ko rin naman agad in that same post na may mga di ako nalaro which is Ubisoft games

    But are you really counting on that to invalidate everything I said about our argument ?

    -- edited by bintsmok on Jan 26 2015, 08:15 PM
  • AMD Allegedely Readying “Godavari” Kaveri-Refresh Platform For Launch In Summer 2015 <click here for link>
  • AMD Bristol Ridge APUs Will Succeed Kaveri Refresh in 2016 on the 28nm Node <click here for link>
  • ^
    good news..

    kaso mga bagong fm3 DDR4 na ang gagamitin... huhuh gas2s na naman to

    -- edited by leo_ricq on Jan 29 2015, 02:35 PM

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