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  • migsvill:

    Hmm...your issue is a little bit more complicated to be solved with just a better processor.

    Incidentally, there are two bottlenecks to Excel: the CPU and the hard drive (with RAM in a close third, since Excel is prone to memory leakage). When opening a heavily populated spreadsheet, the speed of the hard drive is just as effective as a fast CPU (the CPU splitting the opening task, reading, writing, and storing task among the available threads). A fast CPU and a normal hard drive won't improve your situation more than a fast hard drive and a normal CPU.

    And then there's the software part: Excel itself has only just started using asychronous calculations for multicore / multithreaded computing with Excel 2010. This allows Excel to assign long winded functions to a separate thread for each to execute parallel processing. Multithreaded calculations (MTC) started with Excel 2007.

    Also some functions cannot / do not make use of MTC. Functions that do not make use of MTC include pivottables and data functions.

    Improvement across the board isn't based on how many cores / threads you have; it is based on how much Hz a single core can push. This is largely attributed to the greater majority of the software industry unable to completely adapt to native multithreaded programming.

    In addition, Excel is still not heavily polished as an application. You might have better success in using separate solutions that can help you with data sorting and calculation within Excel, such as PowerPivot.

    I have personally made my own HP workstation with an quad-threaded desktop CPU completely stall with Excel and LOOKUP formulas (unintentionally of course). These were solved by breaking down the more complex sheets into workbooks of their own and data linking them via external references.

    So my own office powerhouse cannot handle my own project record bases and live tracking files in Excel (including the filter issue, especially in welding logs). This is a fact of life with Excel. A better CPU isn't going to eliminate the insane waiting time in opening, saving, or recalculating an entire Excel workbook.

    However, if you are still adamant in upgrading to a better workhorse, I'd recommend a notebook with full powered mobile processors such as the Dell Inspiron 14 7000 Series (14-in.), ThinkPad Edge E440 (14-in.), and HP ProBook 400 (14-in.) -- or a professional workstation such as the MSI WS60/WT60 (15.6-in.) or Dell Precision M2800 (15.6-in.).
  • ^ Wow!... just wow!

    @migsvill, I know some about Excel but not I'm not an expert. Just want to put in na baka hindi na kaya ng Excel yung ginagawa mo. Pag masyado malaki database mo baka need nyo na ng mas robust na application.
  • Grooveless:

    Sorry for the lengthy read. I was venting out my frustrations with Excel and ended up churning out another novelette. :(
  • No apologies needed man. I was really in awe of your knowledge of the interplay between application and hardware. And like I said, mejo me alam ako sa Excel so when you said your Excel project crashed your computer, it was hard for me to imagine what you had in it plus the amount of work that went into developing it.
  • If I install the drivers using NVidia from dell that might give me something. I will post as soon as i'm done and this can be a benefit for everyone reading by the way
  • @ Nelko

    Thank you very much for your comments. It made me rethink my choices so I browsed a few websites and even visited some concept stores in SM North Edsa and I found these 2 laptops:

    Model Name: Aspire V5-132P (the blue one)
    Windows 8.1
    Intel Celeron 1019Y Dual-core (2 Core) 1 GHz
    29.5 cm (11.6") HD (1366 x 768) 16:9
    Intel HD Graphics with Shared Memory
    500 GB HDD

    Inspiron 11 3000 Series 2-in-1 Laptop
    Windows 8.1
    Intel® Celeron® processor N2810 (1M Cache, 2.0 GHz)
    11.6 inch LED Backlit Touch IPS Display with Truelife, HD (1366 X 768)
    Intel® HD Graphics
    4GB DDR3L 1600MHz (4GBx1)
    500GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive

    Again, I want a laptop that has a personality LOL. I know na mas maganda ang i3 processor pero hanggang saan ba ako malilimitahan ng Celeron in terms of using MS Office, web browsing, at online video streaming?

    And by the way, medyo nakakainis na hiwalay palang binibili ang MS Office. Magpapa-install na lang siguro ako ng pirated. Hindi ko maatim na magbayad ng mahal para dun. Feeling ko dinadaya ako ng MS.

    -- edited by gzople on Oct 21 2014, 12:35 AM
  • And by the way, medyo nakakainis na hiwalay palang binibili ang MS Office. Magpapa-install na lang siguro ako ng pirated. Hindi ko maatim na magbayad ng mahal para dun. Feeling ko dinadaya ako ng MS.

    May mga free alternatives po sa MS Office like OpenOffice. Di ko lang alam kung ano pinaka-updated ngayon.
  • @audiophileusers

    try mo po gumamit ng driver pack baka sakaling maayos yan.
  • audiophileusers:

    If I install the drivers using NVidia from dell that might give me something. I will post as soon as i'm done and this can be a benefit for everyone reading by the way

    Yes, that's it. Use the one from Dell written specifically for your model, even if Dell says it's for Windows 8 only. If a Windows 8.1 driver exists, download it but keep it for later (just in case the Windows 8 version does not work). If the Windows 8 driver works, Dell's update program will update that driver version sometime in the future, when you've updated to Windows 8.1 Update 1.

    As for the screenshots, I'll check them later back home. Images (and image hosting sites) are blocked here at the office.


    If you're intending on light productivity work, either Celeron-powered ultraportable will work.

    Despite their shared name, these two dual-core processors are based on two different architectures. The Celeron 1019Y is based on Ivy Bridge of the Core family; the N2810 is based on the Bay Trail-M of the Atom family. Therefore, even while the N2810 is clocked twice as much, the 1019Y leads slightly ahead in performance.

    Also, because it is based on the Ivy Bridge, the 1019Y sports a richer feature set than the N2810, like supporting more RAM (though you're unlikely to take advantage of this due to technical limitations).

    Style is subjective and widely open to taste, and it's your interpretation that matters. The tech scene is less about fashion when other facets -- such as function, utility and power -- matters.

    Despite the affinity for current generation gadgeteers to lean toward touch-capability and portability, results for the local market are mixed. Ultrabooks are still rather new; the last revision to their specification was made during late 2013. Because of the high cost of adoption, it has not proliferated the gadget scene of the Philippines as much.

    As for MS Office, free versions exist that perform just as well. OpenOffice (as pointed out by Grooveless) and LibreOffice work as good substitutes.

    If you're looking for Ultraportables that offer a full Microsoft Office suite for free, a few models of the ASUS Transformer T200TA comes bundled with Office (365 or Student 2013). The T100TA -- if you can still find one -- always comes with Student 2013.

    Oh and please refrain from discussing piracy here; it is against the forum rules to do so.

    Edit: Grammar = 2; Me = 0.

    -- edited by Nelko on Oct 21 2014, 01:15 PM
  • @Neiko

    It did work. I installed a non OEM Version given by my vendor since i bought another one from them. I found out that they already ended support already for my E6410. I was able to install the drivers from the Windows Update. After installation it went fine but it went bonkers because sleep sucked A**. i read around via dell forum community and they pinpointed that the drivers from windows really suck and they provided another version which is nVIDIA 320.19 drivers that is more stable although it's an old driver but it's all good. Likewise to cut the story short. The BIOS updated all by itself and ruined something in between previously via windows 7. i downgraded to A09 to adapt all OS's that i install including linux. and re-installed from scratch. now it's already much stable. i will not install dell support application for this notebook just in case. But its already considered an old machine no need for dell support applications :))

    Thank you so much for the support and pointing me to the right direction. I almost gave up. I literally recalled what happened and made me nuts :)))

    -- edited by audiophileusers on Oct 23 2014, 12:57 AM
  • audiophileusers:

    I'm glad it worked for you. Some are not that fortunate, especially with the cheaper Inspiron 15Rs.
  • @Neiko


    The Best Amongst Dell Laptops is still Latitude and Precision. In terms of Longevity based on my experience with Latitude. Worth for the money in the long run. On the other hand I'm moving to Precision since I quite move around working with clients and Remote Locations great with Computing Power :)

    OT LANG :))

    Anyway what's with the 15r Inspiron?
  • audiophileusers:

    They should be. The Latitude is the mainstream business series. And the Precision is the workstation series.

    Inspiron 15Rs have trouble with Windows 8.1 and dual graphics, especially in the area of balancing power saving features and performance. 5000 series and above don't have these problems. I hear the driver and Optimus / Enduro issues are prevalent among a few entry-level and budget-level HP models as well.

    Edit: Sorry, I misspelled your name.

    -- edited by Nelko on Oct 23 2014, 01:19 PM
  • Pag ang laptop po, may ilaw ung pag-plug mo nung cord, may indicator rin un power may ilaw, pag-push nung power button ayaw nya mag on?

    Anu po kaya un??
  • good day sirs

    (forgive me when this problem has been resolved before, i have no time to backread, nagpapanic na talaga ako sorry)

    meron bang naka lenovo z400t dito? ok naman yung laptop ko until naisipan ko mag update ng drivers. the problem is when gaming, the charging suddenly stops then the power button and the LED indicators start to blink then my FPS suddenly drops, i have searched and tried different solution from around the net, but still ganun pa rin. hay naiiyak na ko. pano ko ba maaayos to?
  • Hello mga sirs/ma'ams!

    So advice naman po. So far maganda yung mga nacacanvass kong laptop dito sa tipidpc kesa sa mall. I plan to buy with 30k or under with no less than i5 processor.

    So far this is what I've found:


    Tingin nyo maganda na ba specs neto o mas makakamura pa ako? I plan to use this for gaming, some programming and video editing. Mukha maganda ang feedbacks sa kanya ng mga customers niya so I'm willing to take the chance. Since this is my first possible online buy, tips naman po (Shipping costs, money transactions, etc.). And do you think some people here in TipidPc will take reservations for their product? Money is scarce and I need to save up pa hopefully by 2 months I'll have enough to spare. Thanks po talaga. :)
  • Sirs,

    Need your help. Please recommend a laptop budget around 27-30k.

    laptop will be use for:
    .NET Programming, Photoshop
    Google, Internet, Facebook
    Online Games
  • umann1485:

    Pag ang laptop po, may ilaw ung pag-plug mo nung cord, may indicator rin un power may ilaw, pag-push nung power button ayaw nya mag on?

    Anu po kaya un??

    There could be many causes for this. What was the notebook doing before this happened?

    We can eliminate at least one cause right now by doing the flush technique. Unplug the notebook and remove its battery. Then hold the power on button for at least 10 seconds and up to 30 seconds.

    This will purge the system of static energy that may have accumulated due to a number of reasons, including overheating.


    Can you share the specifications of your Z400T? I think there is more than one model for this series.

    The LED blinking is a symptom of power fluctuations, but the cause could be many things -- in both software and hardware. I'm not ruling out the new drivers you've just installed, but I'm also theorizing that the new drivers enabled access to power saving features that aren't finely tuned to the Z400T's embedded controller (EC) settings.


    So far this is what I've found:


    Sorry, but the link no longer exists or it's just not working for me.


    laptop will be use for:
    .NET Programming, Photoshop
    Google, Internet, Facebook
    Online Games

    For a pseudo-entry-level price, you can get a couple of brand newpseudo-entry-level notebooks, or a number of entry-level notebooks that are pre-owned.

    The following models (if they are still available during this transition period) may be suitable to your requirements:

    - ASUS X450xx
    - Dell Inspiron 14 3000 Series
    - HP Pavilion 14
    - Lenovo IdeaPad G4070
    - Lenovo IdeaPad G400
    - Lenovo ThinkPad EDGE E 420
    - MSI Classic CR42
    - Samsung ATIV Book 2
    - Toshiba Satellite C40

    The models were selected by giving heavy consideration to the CPUs that are able to deliver their best single-core performance, which would be helpful for .NET development without the incorporation of multithreaded classes.

    A few of the choices include current generation ULVs that may include advanced instruction sets that you may be able to take advantage of.
  • Guys kindly provide a notebook for:

    *Picture Editing (AP Lightroom)
    *Dota 2
    *Budget: Php 25,000.00

  • Sorry sir Nelko, I think the item I posted was already sold. So I found another item also from said user that was actually my first choice.

    Lenovo Ideapad Z510

    98% Smooth , Mint Condition

    My Price : 31,500 *Fixed and Final Price , No Last price Inquiries*

    Mall Price : 44,000


    * 15.6 inch HD Led Display (1366 x 768)
    * Intel 4th Gen Haswell Quadcore Core i7-4702MQ Processor 6M Cache, up to 2.20-3.20 GHz
    * 4 GB DDR3 1600Mhz
    * 1 Terabyte HDD
    * NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M (2 GB dedicated Videocard)
    * Original Windows 8 64-Bit
    * JBL Speakers (Nice Audio Quality)


    15.6 inch HD Led Display (1366 x 768)
    Intel 4th Gen Haswell Quadcore Core i7-4702MQ Processor 6M Cache, up to 2.20-3.20 GHz
    4 GB DDR3 1600Mhz
    1 Terabyte HDD
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M (2 GB dedicated Videocard) (Best for Gaming)
    Intel 4600 HD Graphics Switchable Graphic Card For Better Battery Life
    JBL Speakers (Nice Audio Quality)
    Multi-gesture touchpad pointing device support
    Bluetooth 4.0+ HS , Intel® Wireless-N 7260, 2x2 BGN+WiDi
    Lenovo HD webcam
    HDMI® with 4K Ultra HD output capability , 1 USB 2.0 , 3 USB 3.0, Multi-Card Reader
    6-cell Li-ion standard battery pack: Estimated battery life: Up to 4 hours
    Genuine Windows 8 64 bit (Recovery Intact)

    So is this laptop good in a 35k-under range or could I get other ones that have a much better GPU? TIA! :)
  • akinaboy69:

    Anything with an Ivy Bridge (IVB) Intel HD 4000 or a Haswell Intel HD 4400 will do quite nicely, given plenty of high speed RAM.

    So this means a lot of budget-level notebooks including those sporting the Y ultra-ultra low voltage variants of Core i3, Core i5, and Core i7 mobile CPUs.

    Models that you may want to take a look at are:

    - Acer E5-471
    - ASUS X452xx
    - Dell Inspiron 14 3000 Series
    - Lenovo IdeaPad G4070
    - Samsung ATIV Book 2
    - Toshiba Satellite C40

    If you can get your hands on a stripped down version (no OS version or Linux version) of the HP Pavilion 14 (sometimes called the HP Notebook 14), the Lenovo G370 / G470, the MSI Classic CR41, the Neo Elan L31W or the Dell Inspiron 14R, you could do much better for gaming.

    The presence of any discrete graphics option can boost AP LR performance of the dated or underpowered CPUs these models feature. However, plenty of fast RAM is still recommended for these models, since they will most certainly come with insufficient RAM. This way you can allocate a good portion of RAM for LR use exclusively.
  • po90p:

    Ah, then I believe I know the seller you speak of. And in this case, if the Z510 was your first choice and it was priced appropriately, this choice is probably the best of the assortment of notebooks offered for sale within your budget.

    I am getting the impression that you're gearing your next notebook to possess entry-level to mid-level performance -- especially for gaming.

    I suppose a gem in the rough may appear in the IFS section time to time, but the better features and the lower cost will considerably reduce its availability in the long run. But, no, there are no options yet that exist in your budget range that possess graphics options better than the one the Z510 possesses.

    The IdeaPad Z510, despite some hassles in maintenance, should be alright for an entry-level notebook. Also, with that monster of a processor, you could not go completely wrong with your decision.

    Edit: Okay, wow. Just a few moments after this was posted, I found a GT650M SLI notebook within your budget (at first I thought it was a price reduction). There's a Lenovo Y Series (performance) notebook with a GT 650M that is now for sale for 35 grand flat. It's a Lenovo Y500, a.k.a. "the Oven".

    -- edited by Nelko on Oct 25 2014, 04:05 PM
  • Hi sir Nelko,
    I saw that one too. I was wondering what's the mall price for that laptop?
  • @Nelko

    may tips ka ba dyan pano ma prolong battery life while gaming? naka max profile lahat. 75mins lang tinatagal nung sakin sa diablo 3
  • po90p:

    70 grand for the SLI version. Around 45 to 50 grand for the single graphics option.


    Power technology has improved well over the years, but the technology's proliferation into the consumer sector hasn't been as fruitful. Unfortunately, without actively reducing the amount of power needed to run your notebook or getting a higher capacity battery, there's no magical way of extending your battery's stamina.

    I hear subsequent updates to embedded controllers (where available) can effectively cull power consumption somewhat (they can moderate the power management circuit and power fed to the cooling system), but the opportunities are few and far between to make this an effective measure of saving power.

    That being said, offloading the display to an external monitor or lowering the built-in display's brightness, switching to IGP, muting all sounds, disconnecting notebook coolers and external mice and keyboards (USB drives as well), and switching to SSDs may help the battery save enough juice for a little bit longer.

    75 minutes is a good average for full load. It's not spectacular, but it's better than load times of 45 minutes seen in many other notebooks.

    Edit: Grammar check.

    -- edited by Nelko on Oct 26 2014, 12:32 PM

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